family saarman

[helene]

Saaga TLA.1358.2.16:106
Jüri Saarman
I need help to read. He seems to be married twice and both wives dies. What happend to the children?

Saaga TLA.1359.2.21:71
Hans Tawetpirk
I think I found one daughter here, Alexandrine Wilhelmine. What is her connection to this family?
And who is Catharine Sophie?

Grateful for help
Helene

[jussK]

Jep, both wives a died.
Julie Elise married in 1892 and she is on page 508: http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=TLA. ... 1074,150,0
Katharina Rosalie ?
Alexandrine Miina (Wilhelmine) adopted by Hans Tawetpirk...
Johannes adopted by Iwan Michails...

So, Alexandrine Miina (Wilhelmine) is Hans Tawetpirk's adopt. child and Catharine Sophie is his own child: http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=TLA. ... ,608,160,0

[helene]

Thanks for helping me to sort things out.

But I have another problem.
At "geni.com" someone has written that Alexandrine Miina married Hans Tawetberg.
Is he and Hans Tawetpirk the same person?

<a href="http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=TLA. ... :71">Saaga TLA.1359.2.21:71</a>
If I read this correct she moves to St.Pet. 1902. I can't find anything about that she came back.
Am I right or wrong?

[jussK]

And someone has written in Geni that Jüri Saarman was born in Tallinn even there (in Jüri's profile) is link to Tallinna Jaani personalbook there is birthplace very clearly - Kollo
Jürri's birth: http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=EAA. ... 8,912,78,0
So, there is lot of incorrect writings in Geni...

Yes, I read too St.Pet. 1902 (St Peterburg or St. Petri parish in Järvamaa) and it's the last info...

[jussK]

Yes, I read too St.Pet. 1902 (St Peterburg or St. Petri parish in Järvamaa) and it's the last info...

There is also "Past. Kallas" - Kallas was the pastor of the Estonian Jaan's church in Petersburg (1901–1913)

And yes i found
She married 22.9.1902 with Jaan Ollik
E-arhiiv
pic 262

[jussK]

Ollik's family move (or want to move) back to Estonia: http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=ERA. ... ,636,288,0
Daughters
Dagmar Alexandrine Marie 13.1.1906 (31.12.1905 old calendar)
Margoth Vanda Lucie 26.11.1907 (13.11.1907)

Dagmar in Tallinn:
http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=TLA. ... 1112,230,0
http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=TLA. ... 1674,276,0

Margot in Tallinn:
http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=TLA. ... 8,848,80,0


Margot birth
pic 196

[jussK]

Not sure but maybe...

Alexandrine Wilhelmine grave

ps. I made changes in geni

[jussK]

Johannes adopted by Iwan Michails...

Ivan Michails Drogat (Trogat) is ortodox i think. I found in geni and merged profiles...

[helene]

Great
You are wonderful.
I would never have found all this information by myself, especially not that in Russian.
Now I have just one girl left, Katarina Rosalie. It is a note about her that I can't read
Saaga TLA.1358.2.16:106

Many thanks for all information

[mihkel]

Assuming this word is meant:
Saaga TLA.1358.2.16:106?2162,414,203,64,0

Difficult to say, very faint and seems in pencil
It is however written in the column where details are noted of person's leaving the congregation, so it should be either a place or locality where they went or a reason of leaving or a death.

Seems like a composite word,
first half is something like "Rett...s"
the other half might be "anstalt" which means "institution"

Then again it might be a passive verb, which tends to end in "-elt" in German.

Perhaps reviewing other documents and details of that person's life might lead to a better understanding or a clue what this word might be.