Question - palun abi

[flyershistory]

I'll ask a question in English and *try* to ask it in Estonian...
(I am just learning the langauge !)

This is for the page:

http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?web=saag ... 8.1.115:11

On the last column, in the middle - are Mango Mihkel, Peter, Kaarl and Abro Jurri brothers ? And what does the heading above their names mean ?


Viimane kolonn - keskmine - kas on Mango Mihkel, Peter, Kaarl ja Abro Jurri vennad ?

Ja mis on pealkiri tähendus ?

[Kalev Kask]

Hi!

They can be brothers, but we can not be shore about it.

The heading "lostreiber" above their names means free peasant (vabadik).

[flyershistory]

Tänan väga !!

[flyershistory]

I have found Peter's marriage ...

http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?web=saag ... 1278.2.4:6

(#19)

It doesn't look like the normal writing to be Nori Hann Michel's son. It looks like "Aufzugling" or "Aufziegling" - what does that mean ?

And his wife shows as Marri Kuk - is Kuk a middle name or last name ? It seems uncommon for a free peasant to marry somebody with a last name in 1774. What does it say after her name ? (it also has that "Aufzugling" or "Aufziegling" too)

Peter is my 4*great grandfather

[annika.malva]

"Aufzögling" means stepchild, foster child.
About Mari: I think, her stepfathers name is Kukkema Ado. Kukkema should be a farmplace`s name. (...but I`m not 100 % sure)
On Saaga`s first page there is a title "Abimaterjalid" (facilities). There You can find occupations(ametinimetused), abbrevations (lühendid), causes of death (surmapõhjus) and other stuff.

[flyershistory]

Tänan väga !!

The "In English" version of Saaga does not show "Abimaterjalid" - so thank you VERY much. And thank you very much for the "Aufzögling" translation. Both of those things helps me very much !

[Aare Jalakas]

I don't belive this 4 persons are brothers, actually this 4 families are different free peasants families in village Neidnorm (Nedremaa).

The name Kukkema is correct. In the village Peäntak (Peantse) really existed Kukkema farmplace.

[flyershistory]

Thank you Aare,

Since Peter was an orphan or a foster child, it is likely that those are not brothers too.

For another translation that I could not find ...

http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?web=saag ... 1278.2.4:9

#19 , it says Hans, Munnako Hannus <something>

The "something" looks like "kunist" ... it seems to be a common word, but I can't find it anywhere. Can anybody help ?

(Hans is Peter's daughter-in-law's father)

[Aare Jalakas]

Word is "knecht", it means farmhand.
So Hans was farmhand at Munako Hannus.

[flyershistory]

Thank you again ! I guess I know what job my ancestor did but I'll have to dig more to try and find his parents, if it's even possible.