Kivaremees died

[Bert-Ola]

Tere
Hans Kivaremees died in 1927, I'm right
But where do Hilda and the children go?
And what does it say in the last column and what does it mean

Saaga EAA.1239.1.199:198?463,1510,3344,470,0

Bert-Ola

[Katsa]

Hans Kiivramees died 1927 indeed.

It seems, that the pastor of this congregation did not know exactly where did Hilda go with her children. He has made the notice "Bpt?" which most likely means that Hilda has joined Baptist church, but the pastor was not sure about this. The last notice says that they have had a son called Hjalmar, born 06.10.1918 in Tallinn (Reval) and died 07.02.1923 ...somewhere... (I am not sure about the place of death) and buried here (in Haapsalu). Unfortunately I could not find the death record.

[Bert-Ola]

Thank you very much

But what can be said about this family Hans Alxeander Kivarmees 1.1 1891 born Vormsi
Should be the same person and birth is the new time
I'm not getting it right
Do you see anything about where the children are going?
Saaga EAA.1239.1.199:339?343,458,3469,530,0

The family at Vormsi
https://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=EAA ... 2831,685,0
Bert-Ola

[Bert-Ola]

I found the profile Lena Karjamaa on genius
But do not yet really know the families
https://www.geni.com/people/Leena-Karja ... 4572977601

Bert-Ola

[Katsa]

Alexander Kiivramees and Leena Karjama are not related. Leena's children are illegitimate children, Alexander is not their father. Hans is the name of Alexander's father, I can see it now. And yes, it is the same man. Date of birth 19.12.1890 according to the Julian calendar is (almost) equivalent with 01.01.1891 of Gregorian calendar (the correct conversation should have been 31.12.1890, but this was a common mistake - adding 13 days instead of correct 12 days). The switch from Julian calendar to Gregorian one took place only in 1918 in Estonia.

[Bert-Ola]

Many thanks
Still tricky
But a question about Alexander first died in 1927
And the other Alexander dies well in 1932 on page 339/533

Leena will probably live longer, there is a profile of genius

Bert-Ola

[Bert-Ola]

Hard to know
But it can be stated that Kivaremee's married to Hilda died in 1927.
and Kivaremees dies well in 1932 on page 339/533

Then it is difficult to sort out but it is as described above?

[Katsa]

I cannot see any notice that says that this person died 1932. There is a hardly readable notice for Leena Karjama stating probably the date when some kind of information about Leena was sent to the Haapsalu congregation (... 22.04.1932).

[Bert-Ola]

Thanks
Yes then I understand but was also a cross with faint color in front of Kivaremee's name became a little uncertain

Moves Kivaremees from that page 339 place to page 198 and marries Hilda to die in 1927.

Can't get it right