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From: "Sybille-Dagmar Leino" <sdl@isik.ee>
To: "Rob Kniaz" <robk@robk.com>
Subject: Re: Ed: Vs: Vs: Report (Sutt)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:54:20 +0200
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Hello,
=3D20
 Someone's citizenship for applying for an Estonian passport is usually
 proved by a copy of the personal page in the family register, not vital
 certificates. However, as Jakob Sutt left Estonia before the Republic of
 Estonia was founded in 1918, he never became a citizen of Estonia. You can
 apply for a passport only if you are a direct descendant of a citizen of
 Estonia. Jakob's father also died prior to 1918, so the only possibility =
=3D
is
 to find a proof that Jakob's mother Madli Sutt (nee Vesik) was alive in =
=3D
1918
 and living in Estonia. This might not be very easy because of their =3D
Orthodox
 confession, where the records are more poorly kept than those of Lutheran
 confession. So we could find documents after some research, at the same =
=3D
time
 we could research the descendants of Jakob's siblings. So 8 hours for the
 research is probably enough. One certificate that you would need, cost 1 =
=3D
or
 2 pound sterlings, it depends on the archives. Anyway, the costs of the
 documentation is not high.
=3D20
=3D20
 Sincerely=3D20
 Sybille-Dagmar Leino=3D20
 Customer service=3D20
 Estonian Biographical Center, Tiigi 10-51, 51003 Tartu, Estonia=3D20
=3D20
 Internet: http://www.isik.ee/english , sdl@isik.ee=3D20
 Phone/fax +372 7 420 882, mobile +372 528 1478=3D20
=3D20
=3D20
=3D20

-------- Original Message --------
 From: "Rob Kniaz" <robk@robk.com>
 To: "Sybille-Dagmar Leino" <sdl@isik.ee>
 Date: 05.02.2010 17:27:25
 Subject: Re: Ed: Vs: Vs: Report (Sutt)
=3D20
 Hello - yes that's what I mean, an archival certificate. I hope to apply
 for a passport, and I believe that should be sufficient to prove his
 citizenship in Estonia. Could you let me know how much that would cost?
=3D20
 Also, I'd like to order some more work, to explore Jakob's siblings. I
 believe many are still in Kihnu, so I'd like to commit to 8 hours (or =3D
more,
 if needed) to learn more about the family tree of his brothers and =3D
sisters.
=3D20
 Thank you!
=3D20
 2010/2/5 Sybille-Dagmar Leino <sdl@isik.ee>
=3D20
 > Hello,
 >
 > What do you mean by acquiring a copy of the birth certificate of Sutt? =
=3D
Do
 > you mean that of Jakob Sutt? You can see the original birth =3D
registration of
 > Jakob Sutt here online:
 > http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=3D3DEAA.1932.1.45:174
 > (you need to register for free by clicking "Registreeri", there you can
 > choose English, but in case you prefer not to register, here is attached
 > the
 > same document in pdf format). If you need a legal document to prove his
 > birth, then we can get you an archival certificate that will be based on
 > the
 > same document we send you, but a birth certificate is issued only for
 > living
 > persons and to the person him/herself through diplomatic =3D
representatives.
 >
 >
 > Sincerely
 > Sybille-Dagmar Leino
 > Customer service
 > Estonian Biographical Center, Tiigi 10-51, 51003 Tartu, Estonia
 >
 > Internet: http://www.isik.ee/english , sdl@isik.ee
 > Phone/fax +372 7 420 882, mobile +372 528 1478

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Hello,<br />
<br />
Someone's citizenship for applying for an Estonian passport is usually<br =
=3D
/>
proved by a copy of the personal page in the family register, not vital<br =
=3D
/>
certificates. However, as Jakob Sutt left Estonia before the Republic =3D
of<br />
Estonia was founded in 1918, he never became a citizen of Estonia. You =3D
can<br />
apply for a passport only if you are a direct descendant of a citizen =3D
of<br />
Estonia. Jakob's father also died prior to 1918, so the only possibility =
=3D
is<br />
to find a proof that Jakob's mother Madli Sutt (nee Vesik) was alive in =3D
1918<br />
and living in Estonia. This might not be very easy because of their =3D
Orthodox<br />
confession, where the records are more poorly kept than those of =3D
Lutheran<br />
confession. So we could find documents after some research, at the same =3D
time<br />
we could research the descendants of Jakob's siblings. So 8 hours for =3D
the<br />
research is probably enough. One certificate that you would need, cost 1 =
=3D
or<br />
2 pound sterlings, it depends on the archives. Anyway, the costs of the<br =
=3D
/>
documentation is not high.<br />
<br />
<br />
Sincerely <br />
Sybille-Dagmar Leino <br />
Customer service <br />
Estonian Biographical Center, Tiigi 10-51, 51003 Tartu, Estonia <br />
<br />
Internet: http://www.isik.ee/english , sdl@isik.ee <br />
Phone/fax +372 7 420 882, mobile +372 528 1478  <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<blockquote style=3D3D"border-left: 3px solid black; margin: 5px; padding: =
=3D
10px;"> -------- Original Message --------<br />
From: "Rob Kniaz" &lt;robk@robk.com&gt;<br />
To: "Sybille-Dagmar Leino" &lt;sdl@isik.ee&gt;<br />
Date: 05.02.2010 17:27:25<br />
Subject: Re: Ed: Vs: Vs: Report (Sutt)<br />
<br />
Hello - yes that's what I mean, an archival certificate.  I hope to =3D
apply<br />
for a passport, and I believe that should be sufficient to prove his<br />
citizenship in Estonia.  Could you let me know how much that would =3D
cost?<br />
<br />
Also, I'd like to order some more work, to explore Jakob's siblings.  I<br =
=3D
/>
believe many are still in Kihnu, so I'd like to commit to 8 hours (or =3D
more,<br />
if needed) to learn more about the family tree of his brothers and =3D
sisters.<br />
<br />
Thank you!<br />
<br />
2010/2/5 Sybille-Dagmar Leino &lt;<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:sdl@isik.ee">sdl@isik.ee</a>&gt;<br />
<br />
&gt; Hello,<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; What do you mean by acquiring a copy of the birth certificate of =3D
Sutt? Do<br />
&gt; you mean that of Jakob Sutt? You can see the original birth =3D
registration of<br />
&gt; Jakob Sutt here online:<br />
&gt; <a target=3D3D"_blank" =3D
title=3D3D"http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=3D3DEAA.1932.1.45:174" =3D
href=3D3D"http://www.ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=3D3DEAA.1932.1.45:174">http://=
www.=3D
ra.ee/dgs/_purl.php?shc=3D3DEAA.1932.1.45:174</a><br />
&gt; (you need to register for free by clicking "Registreeri", there you =
=3D
can<br />
&gt; choose English, but in case you prefer not to register, here is =3D
attached<br />
&gt; the<br />
&gt; same document in pdf format). If you need a legal document to prove =
=3D
his<br />
&gt; birth, then we can get you an archival certificate that will be based =
=3D
on<br />
&gt; the<br />
&gt; same document we send you, but a birth certificate is issued only =3D
for<br />
&gt; living<br />
&gt; persons and to the person him/herself through diplomatic =3D
representatives.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Sincerely<br />
&gt; Sybille-Dagmar Leino<br />
&gt; Customer service<br />
&gt; Estonian Biographical Center, Tiigi 10-51, 51003 Tartu, Estonia<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Internet: <a target=3D3D"_blank" =
title=3D3D"http://www.isik.ee/english" =3D
href=3D3D"http://www.isik.ee/english">http://www.isik.ee/english</a> , <a =
=3D
href=3D3D"mailto:sdl@isik.ee">sdl@isik.ee</a><br />
&gt; Phone/fax +372 7 420 882, mobile +372 528 1478<br />
</blockquote><br />
<br />

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