From: "Sybille-Dagmar Leino" <sdl@isik.ee>
To: "Francois Grassot" <francois.grassot@wanadoo.fr>
Subject: Re: Estonian genealogy research / KNIPPER
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:57:11 +0200
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Hello,


The name Kni(e)per appears on 26 pages in a book about the old
genealogies of Tallinn. The original genealogies were compiled in 1690s=20
and published in Tallinn (Reval) in 1925. An updated version of that book =
was
published in Tallinn in 1929-1935. It has no references to sources, but=20
the historian who published both books was a very reliable and professional
researcher of his time. We could send you a digital copy of that book =
(it=20
is in German) or both of them. Often by analyzing the data given there we =
are
able to find the original source of the specific fact, but not always as=20
he might have used foreign sources that we are not aquianted with. =
However,=20
we have no specialists of old Tallinn (before the 17th century).=20

The digital copy of the book from 1925 contains 99 pictures (180 pages)=20
and the one from 1929-1935 contains 211 pictures (384 pages). The first =
would
cost 10 EUR, the second 20 EUR, together 25 EUR. If you are interested=20
(they seem not to be the books that you have used already as they have more
information about your ancestors than you state in your email), please let
us know. Or, if you would like us to make an excerpt of that book, analyze
the data in there and to find the original sources that can be found, then
we could do that as well. By the way, the author of those books writes=20
that "The genealogy of the Kniepers is one of the most difficult ones of =
all
Tallinn genealogies".



Sincerely=20
Sybille-Dagmar Leino=20
Customer service=20
Estonian Biographical Center, Tiigi 10-51, 51003 Tartu, Estonia=20

Internet: http://www.isik.ee/english , sdl@isik.ee=20
Phone/fax +372 7 420 882, mobile +372 528 1478=20





> -------- Original Message --------
> From: "Francois Grassot" <francois.grassot@wanadoo.fr>
> To: "info@isik.ee" <info@isik.ee>
> Date: 18.11.2008 23:36:23
> Subject: Re: Estonian genealogy research / KNIPPER
>=20
> I have recently discovered that a German genealogist at the end of the =
19th century had published a
> family tree where=20
> some ancestors of mine were shown. Unfortunately he did not explain =
where he had found the data. I=20
> am now trying to=20
> verify the information. Here is what he wrote :
>=20
> Hans Knipper, born in 1537, possibly in Reval, was an " Elder of the =
Merchants' Guild of Reval "
>=20
> Johannes Knyperus, (his grand son?)born in Reval in 1615 was a private =
tutor in 1640, then a=20
> college (gymnasium)=20
> professor in Reval, and then minister of St Peter's parish in Reval =
where he died on 15 march 1673
>=20
> Caspar Knipper, (his son) born in Reval in 1641 , was appointed " =
Ratsherr " on 6 september 1696
>=20
> Heinrich (Hans ?) Michael Knipper, (his son), born in 1664, (in Reval ?) =
turned up for unknown=20
> reasons as a barrel=20
> maker in Lorentzen, a small town in Alsace (France).
>=20
> This man is my verified ancestor # 980.=20
>=20
> -
>=20
> My question now is what kind of help you may provide as regards all that =
and especially Heinrich=20
> (Hans ?) Michael=20
> Knipper.=20
>=20
> I am French and live in Paris but, later on, I may be able to travel to =
Estonia, but I do not=20
> understand or speak=20
> Estonian.
>=20
> Best regards
>=20
> Fran=C3=A7ois Grassot


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Hello,<br />
<br />
<br />
The name Kni(e)per appears on 26 pages in a book about the old<br />
genealogies of Tallinn. The original genealogies were compiled in 1690s =
<br />
and published in Tallinn (Reval) in 1925. An updated version of that book =
was<br />
published in Tallinn in 1929-1935. It has no references to sources, but =
<br />
the historian who published both books was a very reliable and =
professional<br />
researcher of his time. We could send you a digital copy of that book (it =
<br />
is in German) or both of them. Often by analyzing the data given there we =
are<br />
able to find the original source of the specific fact, but not always as =
<br />
he might have used foreign sources that we are not aquianted with. =
However, <br />
we have no specialists of old Tallinn (before the 17th century). <br />
<br />
The digital copy of the book from 1925 contains 99 pictures (180 pages) =
<br />
and the one from 1929-1935 contains 211 pictures (384 pages). The first =
would<br />
cost 10 EUR, the second 20 EUR, together 25 EUR. If you are interested <br =
/>
(they seem not to be the books that you have used already as they have =
more<br />
information about your ancestors than you state in your email), please =
let<br />
us know. Or, if you would like us to make an excerpt of that book, =
analyze<br />
the data in there and to find the original sources that can be found, =
then<br />
we could do that as well. By the way, the author of those books writes <br =
/>
that "The genealogy of the Kniepers is one of the most difficult ones of =
all<br />
Tallinn genealogies".<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
Sincerely <br />
Sybille-Dagmar Leino <br />
Customer service <br />
Estonian Biographical Center, Tiigi 10-51, 51003 Tartu, Estonia <br />
<br />
Internet: http://www.isik.ee/english , sdl@isik.ee <br />
Phone/fax +372 7 420 882, mobile +372 528 1478  <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 3px solid black; margin: 5px; padding: =
10px;"> -------- Original Message --------<br />
From: "Francois Grassot" &lt;francois.grassot@wanadoo.fr&gt;<br />
To: "info@isik.ee" &lt;info@isik.ee&gt;<br />
Date: 18.11.2008 23:36:23<br />
Subject: Re: Estonian genealogy research / KNIPPER<br />
<br />
I have recently discovered that a German genealogist at the end of the =
19th century had published a family tree where <br />
some ancestors of mine were shown. Unfortunately he did not explain where =
he had found the data. I am now trying to <br />
verify the information. Here is what he wrote :<br />
<br />
Hans Knipper, born in 1537, possibly in Reval, was an " Elder of the =
Merchants' Guild of Reval "<br />
<br />
Johannes Knyperus, (his grand son?)born in Reval in 1615 was a private =
tutor in 1640, then a college (gymnasium) <br />
professor in Reval, and then minister of St Peter's parish in Reval where =
he died on 15 march 1673<br />
<br />
Caspar Knipper, (his son) born in Reval in 1641 , was appointed " Ratsherr =
" on 6 september 1696<br />
<br />
Heinrich (Hans ?) Michael Knipper, (his son), born in 1664, (in Reval ?) =
turned up for unknown reasons as a barrel <br />
maker in Lorentzen, a small town in Alsace (France).<br />
<br />
This man is my verified ancestor # 980. <br />
<br />
-<br />
<br />
My question now is what kind of help you may provide as regards all that =
and especially Heinrich (Hans ?) Michael <br />
Knipper. <br />
<br />
I am French and live in Paris but, later on, I may be able to travel to =
Estonia, but I do not understand or speak <br />
Estonian.<br />
<br />
Best regards<br />
<br />
Fran=C3=A7ois Grassot</blockquote> <br />
<br />

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